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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

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  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  bajarama:

  Thank you ....appreciate the support and approval.

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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

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  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  d0rkyd00d:

  I do believe he is trying to help, and if u don't think so, then i guess you've never been a witness

  Sorry guy but his opening remark just doesn't say "I'm here to help even though I may use some sarcasm from time to time"

  It says

  Well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like

  Coming here to taste "sh.." (feces...in case you didn't catch that) does not come from the mouth of one who wants to help.

  Yes, I WAS a witness for more that twice as many years as you've lived, raised 2 children and been through a lot more than I could ever have the time and space to write it all.

  You present your thoughts well for one who is only 16, but you still have a lot to learn about people. I'm still learning too, but I know enough to recognize his kind. I just should have known that to try to reason with him, was like trying to make a snowball in the blazing sun.

  I agree the name-calling and insulting was nasty. But it was his sneering attitude that rattled the cages and I'm not saying "he did it first". Trust me guy..he is NOT here to help anyone...He's here to apostate-bash (his own words) and to have FUN(also his own words) ...and he will be having an extra big laugh at anyone who is sticking up for him.

  Don't fall into his trap.

  Had Enough (but won't back down to the likes of Still)
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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

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  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  teejay and dorkydood:

  I too respect your right to a different opinion. and I will not dump all kinds of insults and name-calling on your heads....But please don't berate us for the reaction he got. Please carefully read on...

  I hate sarcasm and insults and namecalling too BUT you seem to think ALL who attacked Still did so because they were mistreated by the org. or had a bad experience in the org.

  NONE of these facts justifies namecalling or personal attacks/insults to stillintruth.

  The above reasons were not why Still got the angry responses he did. Some who did experience those things DID try to point out some facts to him in a non-angry way but what was his response? Was it concern for our misjudgements of scriptures and org. teachings? No! there was certainly no care for lost sheep there at all. Just more sneering and insults from HIM.

  PLEASE dorkydood!!! I'm not going to call you names or insult you but please go back and read carefully his post from the beginning. HE started out with sarcasm, insults, attacks, holier-than-thou finger pointing,and name-calling just to mention a few.

  Some of us even tried to reason with him on some of his errors, but he came back with more sarcasm and insults. He had NO intention of coming here to help ANY of us. You don't have to be a mind reader to see that.

  Sorry, but that kind of behaviour, in the name of following Jesus' example is simply disgusting.

  It's not JUST a matter of having a different opinion than mine or someone elses. It's the WAY it is pushed down our throats, like a bully in school strutting around looking for someone to kick. THAT's not Christlike! That's not helping a lost sheep back to the org. So that's what those who jumped all over him reacted to. Right or wrong, he does deserve to be corrected because of his attitude.

  Even some humbly admitted (like myself) to having been snug and smug in the truth ourselves at one time. But NEVER did I or as others said too, go up to an apostate and sneer, push him around like a bully, or name-call or act like a bully throwing stones just because they thought differently that I did.

  PLUS...this is not the first time he has come here with the same attitude. In addition..do you condone a sarcastic remark being made by him to Essie when she so humbly shared with us her affliction with the MS disease. I cannot stand by and let someone crow about being so well versed in the Bible and let them stick a knife into anyone's open wound. Can you justify that? I hope not. I would like to think more highly of you than that.

  Now I've really...
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  I want to know more about you. REALLY!

  by jst2laws in

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  i so desire to know more about the people i am listening to, and occasionally talking to.

  aol has profiles.

  some other web sites have them.

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  Hi Jst2laws: Feeling a little slighted too (dig,dig,) Just had to throw that in.

  I too like knowing something about the person writing a response or starting a thread. I try sometimes going back to other posts they've made where they mention something personal about themselves so I can relate better to what they're trying to say in a new post.

  (I've even been tempted to ask: who really is this Fredhall? But I just waited and read more until ...duh the lights went on)

  (I enjoy reading yours btw jst2laws.)

  Here's me:

  Name:
  Had Enough (all I can say for now to protect myself-see 'status')

  Status:
  Inactive and non-attender for 2 years. Have an still-active daughter, sibling and mom, a da'd son and a non-JW husband

  Approx Age:
  middle aged (whatever that is)

  Background:
  Raised in org.from birth in Canada. Father was an elder (a kind one). Occasionally pioneered. Married to an elder and had 2 children. Divorced and re-married a non-JW. Had family in Bethel.

  Likes:
  Coming here to start to heal from shock of finding out all I ever believed in and was proud of, is false, and heal from power-wielding elders, and being able to lose the guilt of bothering people who don't want to be bothered by JW's

  Dislikes:
  Arrogant JW bullies who take delight in sarcasm and kicking a person when they're down in the name of doing God's will. JWs enforcing df'ing restrictions; df'ing repentant ones; all the misinterpretated scriptures and rules twisted to fit the situation.... and did I mention df'ing?

  Fears and Frustrations:
  Wanting to inform my active family of what I've learned but can't because they're all "by-the-book devotees of the borg" so I risk being df'd for speaking out so I don't. I need my family right now.

  Hobbies:
  Enjoying life now, and my friends and grandchildren and more to be enlarged on later.
  
  Perhaps will divulge more as time goes on.

  Had Enough (of feeling pressured and secondclass)
  Like Kramer on Seinfield says: "I'm out there Jerry and I'm LOVIN' it!!!"

  PS to outnfree: Caught your message to me about my name. Glad you like how I sometimes sign-off. See you're using it too. I like it
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  June1,2001WT QFR Confess to Elders?

  by ISP in

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  (entire article).

  questions from readers.

  in view of jehovahs willingness to forgive sins by the merit of the ransom sacrifice, why is it necessary for christians to confess to the older men in the congregation?.

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  In my first response to this post I highlighted the word skilled used in the article to describe the elders and repeat it is outrageous to think any of them are skilled enough to deal with the problems great enough to move a person to feel they are supposed to confess to elders.

  ISP

  I like your comparison of the help a person receives is like a surgeon doing heart surgery with a bread knife. I've many times made the statement that too many repentant ones end up df'd or da'd anyway due to the judgement of untrained, imperfect, power-wielding men who have no more ability to read hearts than a 3-yr-old.

  JT

  I also like your question "How many of you would want an "Untrained Volunteer" to do your surgery?"

  That says a mouthful. I will remember that and may use it sometime on a family member who is reaching out for elder privileges, only perhaps word it to him like: do you really feel, as an untrained volunteer, you should feel qualified to perform surgery? That's what trying to help an alcoholic, or a drug user, or a molester, or someone suicidal or anyone who qualifies for professional help, would be compared to.

  You said alot in the 2 simple examples of JW doublespeak: If they err, its because they are untrained and imperfect. But they do receive the finest training on the face of this earth by God's visible org.
  Huh????

  It amazes me how clear all these things are now to me. I can't believe how naive I was, but I guess when that's all you've ever known, it can take awhile for the 'fog' to clear out.

  Wondering why it took me so long before I...
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  Does the Watchtower break up famelies?

  by OlderTom in

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  my word it does.. when i started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult.

  my wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.. that's ok because according to jdubs that proves it's the truth.. as i progressed in "the truth(tm)" all my friends started to abandon me because i was always going to those booring meetings.. when i found someone i liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.. ie break up another family before it even starts.. after i married her without getting the elder permission, some of my jdub friends tried to df me, to show how much they loved me.. when they failed to df me some of my witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us no guilty.. i should have sued the bastards for slander.

  today i'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding.

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  Hester:

  I don't have all the answers yet...I'm just new at getting out from under the borg's controlling beliefs, yet I'm still affected by them through my 'still active' family. This thread has surely proved that the WT does break up families.

  All I know is I don't believe the fairy tales any more and am still searching for my 'happy place' of what to believe in. At least I'm not fooling myself anymore looking for a paradise coming "any minute" now.

  I would like to believe in the paradise I grew up believing in, but I don't know anymore. My foundation has been knocked out from under me. It's going to take time to figure things out.

  I wish you success in finding healing and peace in dealing with your daughter's death. I only know that coming here can only help, especially talking to, and reading the posts of others who are dealing with pain too. There is such a wealth of wisdom, empathy and knowledge here that soothes the pain many have endured under the thumb of the borg. Here is where you'll find the understanding you seek, to heal your pain.

  (((HUGS)))
  Had Enough

  (gotta sign off now...starting to see double)
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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

  1. jw
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  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  Thanks JT:

  Your're right!!! My dander does get up. But each day I can see things a little clearer. Coming here helps me so much I can hardly find words to explain it.

  Some days are clouded over with emotion. (the 4+ decades of indoctrination have certainly taken their toll). I had such a strong belief that this was the only right religion. I have a hard enough time when I remember the times I was so snug and smug "in the truth" and feel embarrased.

  I'm so thankful though that I never stooped so low as to verbally abuse someone so arrogantly, in the name of promoting Jesus' teachings. I'd have such a hard time dealing with that.

  But thanks...it suddenly dawned on me how much damage a pompous attitude like his does for the JW cause in the eyes of anyone who comes here looking for answers. Again...thank you Still.

  You make me so glad I've....
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  Does the Watchtower break up famelies?

  by OlderTom in

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  my word it does.. when i started studying with the witlesses all of my family and inlaws deserted me for following a stupit cult.

  my wife divorced me and my children won't talk to me.. that's ok because according to jdubs that proves it's the truth.. as i progressed in "the truth(tm)" all my friends started to abandon me because i was always going to those booring meetings.. when i found someone i liked in "the truth" and started associating with her, some of my witness friends tried to break up the friendship.. ie break up another family before it even starts.. after i married her without getting the elder permission, some of my jdub friends tried to df me, to show how much they loved me.. when they failed to df me some of my witless friends decided to shun me anyway even though the elders pronounced us no guilty.. i should have sued the bastards for slander.

  today i'd just give him (the instigator) a good hiding.

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  Hello again Hester:

  My heart just breaks. Being a mother too, I can only imagine what the loss of a child is like. I ache just thinking about it. How unthinkable that you didn't receive the support, tenderness and strength from your parents and fellow JWs

  To make matters worse, so many JW's just don't know how to feel one's pain in these matters because of the indoctrination of "we'll see them soon in the new system so true Witnesses won't cry but rejoice at the good news of the kingdom."

  You are so right. Many do just shut themselves out of the reality of the real world.

  Sorry but that just doesn't cut it. Coldness was not a quality or emotion that Jesus showed.

  I can only be thankful every day that I have been able to learn how to reason with insight and not with memorizing WT articles.

  Be assured of the love you will find here because we all are liberated from the burdens placed upon us by an out-of-touch with reality org...the burdens which Jesus had no intention of his sheep having to endure.

  Had Enough (of the pressures and burdens of a cold borg.)
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  Time to move on

  by joelbear in

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  well most of its been fun guys and gals.. but i'm outta here.

  i am much happier thinking about other things.

  i just realized that as long as i keep coming here i am still a slave of the watchtower.. big farewell hugs.

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  Sorry to see you go Joelbear.

  I haven't been here long but enjoyed your posts. Hope you aren't serious but can understand the need to move on.

  Please come back sometimes and add your witty answers to some posts that need it.

  I'll visit your site too.

  I'm sitting here at the computer with a glass of wine..(raising my glass) I toast you and wish you well.

  Had Enough (but not ready to move on yet)
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  Randall Watters exposed

  by StiLLinTruth in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello again friends!.

  well it was time again for me to take my weekly dose of apostate faeces and see what it tastes like.

  decided to check out randy watters this time (we all love him here) and his little testimony on freeminds.org, titled "what happened at bethel in 1980?

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  Hi JT:

  When I read someone who so arrogantly throws scriptures at us that the WT has so adeptly taken out of context, it just naturally brings out in me the need to try to show one the need to look at the whole picture in the whole context.

  My dander gets up by someone blowing his horn about how knowledgeable he is and struts like a bully kicking sand in the faces of others. As I've said before, how Christ-like is that?!

  But at the end of my post, it suddenly dawned on me how much good he actually is doing in helping others turn away from the org. so I expressed that. His attitude will certainly be bringing more "hi..I'm new here" posts I'm sure. Thanks again, Still.

  So therefore, I agree with you there is no value in debating the Bible with him.

  Yes I remember the indoctrination. I too debated with my non-JW husband with closed ears and blinders on. It was just a matter of time before I began to really "see" things in the light.

  I may have felt the arrogance brought on by JW propaganda, but never spewed it out and tried to shove the arrogance down someone elses throat doing so with such wicked glee as he displays.

  I have decided that his idea of "fun" is too childish for me, but when he grows up, and sees the light, I too will welcome him here.

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